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and president obama doesn't want to recognize that that problem exists. >> when you say no one is talking about defaulting on the debt, does that also include letting the debt ceiling lapse? >> well, you know, larry, what we're once again up on the debt ceiling. we have been here before, a year and half ago we were having this debate again. i supported a plan cut cap and balance that would have focused on solving the problem. but clearly we haven't sold the problem and credit card is maxed out again and president obama wants to get that money from china and send the bill to the kids. so any deal to solve this latest crisis ought to include a solution to their actual problem that got us here. >> is john boehner's role still in place? one for one for every dollar of debt increase there should be a dollar of spending reduction? >> i think you need a start with that. then you've got to actually put real programs in place that solve this problem long term. because look, if we don't solve this problem coming up in the next few weeks, we're going to be back here in another few months because president
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